750 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Finally got around to doing this. Well worth it, lots of feel, tonnes of braking power. It looks a bit ghetto, but I just wanted to get it all bolted up. Currently using a GSXR1000 14mm MC, bit of lever travel but it's fine for now. I'll likely swap out for a 16mm or 5/8. I have one from my SV1000 after doing the GSXR1000 front end upgrade. It's a coffin reservoir, rather than the remote reservoir on the GSXR unit. Here's some pics. I'm going to get the calipers painted and powder coat the brackets. For those wondering. The brackets are available from webike: https://www.webike.co.uk/products/1113303.html You require Brembo goldlines with 40mm spacing on the mounting points (later ones have 65mm) - bikes with these are Moto Guzzi California (single pin fixing) and Ducati's such as the early Monsters and S sports. A 14 or 16mm Axial master cylinder will do the job, the former giving more lever travel with less hand effort required, the latter giving firmer lever with a more on/off type action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyRedRC46 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 What are these calipers off of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer YoshiHNS Posted September 27, 2017 Member Contributer Share Posted September 27, 2017 Interesting mod. Thanks for sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
750 Posted September 27, 2017 Author Share Posted September 27, 2017 1 hour ago, CandyRedRC46 said: What are these calipers off of? Read the post matey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
750 Posted September 27, 2017 Author Share Posted September 27, 2017 9 minutes ago, YoshiHNS said: Interesting mod. Thanks for sharing My pleasure, I know a lot complain about the braking abilities of the RC36, this is a definite fix. I'd highly recommend people use floating discs with the calipers as two fixed points isn't good. VFR/RVF400 front wheels are the same and seemingly easier to come by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer slowbird Posted September 27, 2017 Member Contributer Share Posted September 27, 2017 Very interesting. Good job! I never had any complaints with the braking on my 4th gen, but I never did any riding that was more than just "Spirited". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdouvill Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 This is a fantastic solution. I am struggling to source VTR fork legs at a decent price so I really like this solution. I note that the page does not reference VFR 750 but list Honda CBR600F 95-98 which is I believe the F3 and it has (at least to my knowledge) the same fork legs as the 3rd gen. Thank you really much for the details ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
750 Posted September 28, 2017 Author Share Posted September 28, 2017 No problem, and yeah... Same fork legs (that's both 3rd and 4th gen for those wondering!) Will cost similar to the vtr package when you factor in the calipers etc... But... You know... Brembos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyRedRC46 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 16 hours ago, 750 said: Read the post matey Okay reread the post. You said gsxr1000 master cylinder, now and maybe an sv1000 master later. Then you said something about brembo goldlines, i don't know what these are, are those the calipers? So you are using Moto Guzzi California or Ducati Monster / S sport calipers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer VFR Capt.Bob Posted September 28, 2017 Member Contributer Share Posted September 28, 2017 My 5th gen came with complete Brembo full floating disc. Braking and especially hard braking is much easier to manage. The adapter plates looks are a small price to pay for premium braking. I locked up and crashed my first VFR800 under hard braking. The slick center of road sludge helped. Only difference is the nose dives a bit now with out linked brakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
750 Posted September 28, 2017 Author Share Posted September 28, 2017 5 hours ago, CandyRedRC46 said: Okay reread the post. You said gsxr1000 master cylinder, now and maybe an sv1000 master later. Then you said something about brembo goldlines, i don't know what these are, are those the calipers? So you are using Moto Guzzi California or Ducati Monster / S sport calipers? Ah OK - sorry, just realised that came across as snotty, that wasn't the intention. So...it's as follows Brembo goldlines are just a make and model of caliper - they were used universally across multiple bikes and came in two flavours: single pin fixing: pads are retained by a single pin and the mounting holes are 40mm apart (these are what are on my bike) double pin fixing: pads are retained by two pins, the mounting points are 65mm apart. My calipers in particular came off a moto guzzi california (97-00, 2001 onwards went with the bigger spacing): They also come off early Ducati Monsters (1993 til 1996 - in 1997 they went to the bigger 65mm spacing mounting): Ducati 900SS (1990 which has the black calipers through to 1997, in 1998 they went with the bigger 65mm spacing): The calipers you want, look like this. Note the small spacing between the mounting points and the bleed and banjo mounting points are in line with each other: The later ones (the ones you DON'T want) look like this. Note the much larger mounting spacing and the banjo/bleed mounting points are right next to each other: I'm assuming you know what a master cylinder is, but just in case (really not trying to be patronising, just wanna save you the effort of finding out!) - it's basically what the brake lever attaches to. Smaller sizes = more brake lever travel but much less effort to get hard braking. Larger sizes = less brake lever travel but more effort required to brake hard - it's more of an on/off feeling. Bigger is NOT better, regardless of what a plethora of clueless types will tell you :) There's a calculation that can be done to work out the ratio between the master cylinder and the slave cylinder (i.e. the calipers pistons) and with an axial master cylinder...you want about 17:1 to get a nice amount of lever travel and braking feel. Hope this helps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyRedRC46 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Thank you for the thorough explanation, I was just curious about your set up. I have already upgraded the brakes on my 6th gen to 04-06 R1 components. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
750 Posted September 30, 2017 Author Share Posted September 30, 2017 No problem, it'll help others I'm sure :) Did you put the axial blue/gold spots on? I have the radials on my SV1000 with GSXR1000 front end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyRedRC46 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 On 9/30/2017 at 5:21 AM, 750 said: No problem, it'll help others I'm sure :) Did you put the axial blue/gold spots on? I have the radials on my SV1000 with GSXR1000 front end Gold would have been nice, but oh well, just plain aluminum/silver... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
750 Posted October 4, 2017 Author Share Posted October 4, 2017 Same as mine then. I've struggled to find the correct pad retaining bracket. Can you do me a favour and check if the part where the retaining pin goes through the pads is flat? The pads I have in mine have a rounded top, so the replacement retaining brackets I bought from a Yammy dealer don't fit. Oh and what master cylinder are you using? I went with a Bandit 1250 (14mm) which works OK, but can't decide if the pads, discs or MC are letting it down...they're nowhere near as powerful as the Brembos on the VFR...which is worrying considering the SV is much lighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyRedRC46 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Well for checking the retaining pin, I will have to do that when I get home. For the master cylinder, I am using the stock 04-06 R1 Brembo radial master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Ghostrider1127 Posted October 5, 2017 Member Contributer Share Posted October 5, 2017 With 40 mm spacing with bit more money it´s possible buy discacciati , beringer , isr , ap racing caliper (even with 6 pistons) also available spacer for 65 mm brembo ( standard and triple bridge ) or even adapter for use 4 pot radial unit Btw ... Nice mod. , extr. clean bike! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Ghostrider1127 Posted October 5, 2017 Member Contributer Share Posted October 5, 2017 4 hours ago, CandyRedRC46 said: Well for checking the retaining pin, I will have to do that when I get home. For the master cylinder, I am using the stock 04-06 R1 Brembo radial master. this kind of master are not radial but half radial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyRedRC46 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 16 hours ago, Ghostrider1127 said: this kind of master are not radial but half radial Yeah... you're going to have to explain that one to me, because as far as I can see, on my 04-06 R1 Brembo radial master cylinder, the force applied to the lever is parallel to the force applied to the plunger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Ghostrider1127 Posted October 6, 2017 Member Contributer Share Posted October 6, 2017 You are welcome: look which angle got the cylinder axis of your master , it sit just NOt radial That´s why it´s called "half radial" a mix between axial and radial Actually in brembo we call it "pompa semi radiale" let you translate it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyRedRC46 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 I am welcome for what? You just posted two generic pictures showing what I already just said and drew, for the two exact master cylinders in question. You didn't counter/disprove anything or add any new thoughts... Nothing changed, the 04-06 R1 master cylinder' "cylinder axis" and "lever pull" are still parallel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Ghostrider1127 Posted October 6, 2017 Member Contributer Share Posted October 6, 2017 ok , if you feel better go on thinking your master cylinder it´s a full radial Was just trying , as professional , to explain and gave the right name to a component still a " pompa semi-radiale " not more not less Have a nice week-end p.s. also this native ducati 999 master cylinder was used by yamaha on r1 models till 2014 and r6 till 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer JZH Posted October 6, 2017 Member Contributer Share Posted October 6, 2017 Semi-radial, it looks to me... Interestingly, the later NISSIN non-radial masters (such as those found on early CBR600RRs) are also semi-radial, but they're much closer to axial than radial (whereas the Yamaha '04-'06 R1 Brembo master is much closer to radial than axial). I've never seen a truly "half-radial", but it wouldn't surprise me if they exist. Ciao, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
750 Posted October 8, 2017 Author Share Posted October 8, 2017 TBF Candy, he's right. A true radial is completely parallel. The Yammy efforts are between radial and axial. I'd still argue it's radial though! But either way, how're you finding the stopping power? I'm using an axial Bandit 1250 unit (14mm) and it's arguably not grabbing as hard as I'd expect from supersport calipers. I realise pads have an effect but even when hot, they just don't stop anywhere near as frantically as the Brembo's on the VFR. I'm contemplating getting a Brembo RCS19, but it's a big outlay if there's nothing in it between the RCS and the Yammy efforts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
750 Posted October 8, 2017 Author Share Posted October 8, 2017 On 10/5/2017 at 10:03 PM, Ghostrider1127 said: With 40 mm spacing with bit more money it´s possible buy discacciati , beringer , isr , ap racing caliper (even with 6 pistons) also available spacer for 65 mm brembo ( standard and triple bridge ) or even adapter for use 4 pot radial unit Btw ... Nice mod. , extr. clean bike! BIG money for those discacciati calipers, though. These Brembo's are waaaaaaaaay more than enough to stop the VFR as though it's hitting a brick wall. It's a night and day difference over the clunky, lazy VFR stock items Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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