Samuelx Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 I'm hoping to bail when I retire, sick and tired of the idiots running things - government and voters. Prop 47, AB109, Prop 57, etc... ad nauseam... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Bent Posted September 20, 2017 Member Contributer Share Posted September 20, 2017 4 hours ago, Samuelx said: I'm hoping to bail when I retire, sick and tired of the idiots running things - government and voters. Prop 47, AB109, Prop 57, etc... ad nauseam... Someone else "gets it". Don't know why anyone is worked up over my post since secession is going to happen anyway just not soon enough. Go ride a VFR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer VFR Capt.Bob Posted September 21, 2017 Member Contributer Share Posted September 21, 2017 Have you heard those new robo sales calls? Where for a moment you think a real person is responding to you? No matter what you or they say they are only there to sell you their product. I am not a moderator but if I was I would warn us not to get political on this forum. I hate the high fines for traffic violations. I enjoy due process. A lot of cyber robo trollers out there. No matter what you say they are just trying to sell their message. Pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuelx Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuelx Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 (note the smiley under the cartoon)... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspanglish Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 It's a motorcycle forum not a soapbox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer BusyLittleShop Posted September 21, 2017 Member Contributer Share Posted September 21, 2017 California is going to buy TexAss and turn it into a cesspool... which improves both states... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer VFR Capt.Bob Posted September 21, 2017 Member Contributer Share Posted September 21, 2017 I hope all these alleged California haters go find a better place and move soon. As for anyone who loves Texas, which came from the word Tejas which in Caddos means "friends", more power to you. Lots of fine people from Texas. Always had a great time visiting there. Samuelx are you calling me a robo troll? Are you a robot? Haha. I will now dismount the soap box and, as Bent dismissively suggested we all go do, go ride my VFR. Thank you for your permission comrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighawk Posted September 21, 2017 Author Share Posted September 21, 2017 Got way off topic. Some people on this forum helped out tremendously. However, the ultimate result was Traffic School. For anyone that wants to know when, why, and how you can fight a ticket in CA check out: https://www.amazon.com/Fight-Your-Ticket-California-11th/dp/1413301878 Truth is, the ways out of the ticket on technicalities were all ruled out with a with a code violation of 22349(a) (minus the cop simply not showing up at court). Now, if you receive a ticket in a 55mph zone, you can use multiple defenses in your argument including but not limited to, laser calibration defenses, ambushing, site survey, and the like. Hope this helps someone in the future and thanks to those that assisted in PM's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuelx Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Hey Capt Bob, I'm as much of a troll or robot as you are... ;) We may differ in opinion on the general state of affairs but I'd still ride with ya... Hey BH, thanks for the update - glad things worked out! Is it still 1 traffic school per 18 months? Sorry for the hijacking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VFR4Lee Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 23 hours ago, VFR Capt.Bob said: Have you heard those new robo sales calls? Got one today, caller ID said from New York. Computer voice says we have issued a warrant for your arrest, call us at ........... Yeah, LOL and hows your Mom? Yes on traffic school online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer JZH Posted September 22, 2017 Member Contributer Share Posted September 22, 2017 <sigh> I miss California, in some ways... One of which being the ability to "play" the traffic infraction system to my advantage (three years of post-graduate education have to be of some use!). Nolo Press books are good legal resources, and they can help you "win". But don't try those tricks here in the UK: all traffic offenses are considered "criminal" (albeit non-recordable), but the system is rigged in the opposite direction such that the motorist is very much discouraged from "fighting" it. Ciao, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer VFR Capt.Bob Posted September 23, 2017 Member Contributer Share Posted September 23, 2017 I just found out today I won my case against the LA Sheriffs. Not guilty. Car pool lane splitting ticket from a motorcycle officer who was basically being a grumpy guy on a bike toward me and out to show me who was boss. I have been riding to work everyday for the last ten years. This was the first time I have ever been hassled for sharing the carpool lane. I never crossed over the double yellows but he said that I drove on them and that is the same thing. The law is more specific. Crossing over the unbroken double yellow lines to enter or exit the carpool lane. I drove partially and momentarily on the inside yellow line while only sharing the carpool lane. No cross over. Not riding right down the middle of them like my own special bike lane. I won't deride the officer. But he was not just doing his job. CHP have the professionalism and expertise to make these decisions on the high ways and are traffic enforcement specialist. Many times I have done as much or more in the presence of CHP officers who have even on occasion moved over and waved me by in the carpool lane if I ended up behind them. In my entire life I can honestly say I have never received a ticket I didn't deserve from the CHP. On the California Highway Patrol web site they state very clearly: Motorcycles may not drive on the double yellow lines of the carpool lane. So don't push your luck in their presence or you can be cited. You may still be able to fight it and win but it is $800 bet you don't want to make. Also they are keeping $100 for court processing fees so no clean victory to be had. I did the written Trial By Declaration. On the political side. I try my best to keep it polite and light hearted. No ill will what so ever guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Duc2V4 Posted September 23, 2017 Member Contributer Share Posted September 23, 2017 34 minutes ago, VFR Capt.Bob said: I just found out today I won my case against the LA Sheriffs. Not guilty. Car pool lane splitting ticket from a motorcycle officer who was basically being a grumpy guy on a bike toward me and out to show me who was boss. I have been riding to work everyday for the last ten years. This was the first time I have ever been hassled for sharing the carpool lane. I never crossed over the double yellows but he said that I drove on them and that is the same thing. The law is more specific. Crossing over the unbroken double yellow lines to enter or exit the carpool lane. I drove partially and momentarily on the inside yellow line while only sharing the carpool lane. No cross over. Not riding right down the middle of them like my own special bike lane. I won't deride the officer. But he was not just doing his job. CHP have the professionalism and expertise to make these decisions on the high ways and are traffic enforcement specialist. Many times I have done as much or more in the presence of CHP officers who have even on occasion moved over and waved me by in the carpool lane if I ended up behind them. In my entire life I can honestly say I have never received a ticket I didn't deserve from the CHP. On the California Highway Patrol web site they state very clearly: Motorcycles may not drive on the double yellow lines of the carpool lane. So don't push your luck in their presence or you can be cited. You may still be able to fight it and win but it is $800 bet you don't want to make. Also they are keeping $100 for court processing fees so no clean victory to be had. I did the written Trial By Declaration. On the political side. I try my best to keep it polite and light hearted. No ill will what so ever guys. Congrats, even with the little sting of $100, beats a mark on the license and the $800 ticket! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighawk Posted September 23, 2017 Author Share Posted September 23, 2017 1 hour ago, VFR Capt.Bob said: I just found out today I won my case against the LA Sheriffs. Not guilty. Car pool lane splitting ticket from a motorcycle officer who was basically being a grumpy guy on a bike toward me and out to show me who was boss. I have been riding to work everyday for the last ten years. This was the first time I have ever been hassled for sharing the carpool lane. I never crossed over the double yellows but he said that I drove on them and that is the same thing. The law is more specific. Crossing over the unbroken double yellow lines to enter or exit the carpool lane. I drove partially and momentarily on the inside yellow line while only sharing the carpool lane. No cross over. Not riding right down the middle of them like my own special bike lane. I won't deride the officer. But he was not just doing his job. CHP have the professionalism and expertise to make these decisions on the high ways and are traffic enforcement specialist. Many times I have done as much or more in the presence of CHP officers who have even on occasion moved over and waved me by in the carpool lane if I ended up behind them. In my entire life I can honestly say I have never received a ticket I didn't deserve from the CHP. On the California Highway Patrol web site they state very clearly: Motorcycles may not drive on the double yellow lines of the carpool lane. So don't push your luck in their presence or you can be cited. You may still be able to fight it and win but it is $800 bet you don't want to make. Also they are keeping $100 for court processing fees so no clean victory to be had. I did the written Trial By Declaration. On the political side. I try my best to keep it polite and light hearted. No ill will what so ever guys. Awesome Capt! Can you link me to the details of the lane splitting on CHP's site? I looked up the 2016 AB-51 but it doesnt have what you stated. I never really understood what is legal and whats not legal. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Marvelicious Posted September 23, 2017 Member Contributer Share Posted September 23, 2017 So much to learn in this thread... I've learned how to deal with speeding tickets... (I'm in my 40's and I've had two... mostly luck). I've learned that British people take great joy in being pedantic at each other (actually, I knew that... it's their national pastime) and I've learned (yet again) that Americans will take any excuse to roll out their political agenda and fight over it. I've been to both Texas and California, and there are too many people in either one for me. Actually, there are too many people in Oregon for me at this point, but I don't want to leave the coast and I'm not sure I can handle Alaska's winter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuelx Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Nobody does it like the Brits! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer BusyLittleShop Posted September 23, 2017 Member Contributer Share Posted September 23, 2017 16 hours ago, VFR Capt.Bob said: . I never crossed over the double yellows but he said that I drove on them and that is the same thing. The law is more specific. California Vehicle Code Double Lines 21460. (a) If double parallel solid yellow lines are in place, a person driving a vehicle shall not drive to the left of the lines. I would also judge "left of lines" as both but I gather they want us right of the lines and never on them... no problem... I routinely pass slow movers in the bendy bits between the double yellow and their vehicle... no tickets and no trouble yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer VFR Capt.Bob Posted September 23, 2017 Member Contributer Share Posted September 23, 2017 21655.8 (a) Except as required under subdivision (b), when exclusive or preferential use lanes for high-occupancy vehicles are established pursuant to Section 21655.5 and double parallel solid lines are in place to the right thereof, no person driving a vehicle may cross over these double lines to enter into or exit from the exclusive or preferential use lanes, and entrance or exit may be made only in areas designated for these purposes or where a single broken line is in place to the right of the exclusive or preferential use lanes. sub. div. (b) is basically to get out of the way of an approaching emergency response vehicle. CHP web site page dealing with HOV lanes. https://www.chp.ca.gov/programs-services/services-information/hov-and-hot-lane-information Motorcycles: Solo motorcyclists can use HOV lanes (and most HOT lanes) without a decal unless otherwise posted. Motorcyclists cannot ride on, in, or over solid double lines. So my take is that if you are riding on top of the lines you can get in trouble. It may be an entirely different veh. code than the one I got cited with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighawk Posted September 24, 2017 Author Share Posted September 24, 2017 Awesome info Capt'n! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer MooseMoose Posted September 24, 2017 Member Contributer Share Posted September 24, 2017 23 hours ago, Marvelicious said: I've learned (yet again) that Americans will take any excuse to roll out their political agenda and fight over it. SOME Americans. Don't lump everyone together with the boorish asshats who can't keep their inherently divisive issues in their pants. A great many of us were taught how it is impolite to talk religion or politics at the dinner table, and understand that that notion extends to any social environment where the focus is neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuelx Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 nevermind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 I don't have anything to add to this conversation. I just wanted to say the Brits know how to argue. That was the nicest flame war ever on page 1 between those two members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VFR4Lee Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 I came in here for a good argument. No, you came in here for an argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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