Member Contributer Marsman99 Posted May 15, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted May 15, 2016 I knew of the minor weight difference (25 lbs, 10kg) between the 1200 DCT and F models, but never realized that was enough difference for Honda to address it in the brake design. I mean, at 600 lbs, with luggage options and the like, a variety of rider weights, etc., is 25 lbs enough to make different size rear brake pads? Apparently it is. I need to replace the rear pads, and decided to stay OEM because I love the brakes on this bike. Why fix it with aftermarket? So, I trundled into the local dealer to get parts, gave the parts guy the make/model info and he ordered them. The following weekend I fitted them, or tried. Damn pads just would not go on. After some swearing and the like, I gave up and trundled back to the dealer to explore why. The parts guy checked the numbers on the DCT fiche, then checked the numbers on the F fiche. The PN's appeared both places, but he then noticed a second PN on both fiches. Eventually, he figured out the two models had different PN's for their rear pads! Who knew? Funny, the fiches didn't really specify which belonged with which model. So, I ordered the other PN and figured between the two I'd have what I need. The parts showed up a few days later, and sure enough, they are different. I was surprised to see the pads are smaller on the F model. I also noticed the reason the F model won't fit into the DCT caliper - it has a small flange that won't allow it into the DCT caliper. Trust me, it is effective. Below is photographic evidence. The MGE-D01 (top) is the DCT model pad, the MFN-D11 is the F model. The screw driver tip points to the flange on the F model pad that denies use on the DCT. You can see the DCT pads are bigger. Apologies to those that already knew this, but it was news to me and the Honda parts guy. Wonder if it is the same on aftermarket pads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer fotodadi Posted May 15, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted May 15, 2016 Wow! Interesting! Can you confirm if the brake disc is the same size too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Marsman99 Posted May 15, 2016 Author Member Contributer Share Posted May 15, 2016 10 minutes ago, fotodadi said: Wow! Interesting! Can you confirm if the brake disc is the same size too? It appears the disks are the same for all model years, at least in the US and per the on-line parts fiches I just reviewed. I guess one should never underestimate Honda Engineering's attention to detail. Even if it might appear unnecessary. Would love to chat with them as to their reasoning. I'll keep this in mind if I ever buy aftermarket pads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VFROr Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Good to know!! Thanks for the heads up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilprofessore Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 There is a different layout between standard and DCT version. Standard has the brake caliper on bottom side, the DCT on top side. It means that brake caliper are different, then pad could be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Marsman99 Posted May 15, 2016 Author Member Contributer Share Posted May 15, 2016 1 hour ago, ilprofessore said: There is a different layout between standard and DCT version. Standard has the brake caliper on bottom side, the DCT on top side. It means that brake caliper are different, then pad could be different. Yeah, thought this was more because they had to move it to accommodate the parking brake caliper on the rotor. Didn't occur to me they would design a different caliper and add surface area to the pads. Question is why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddo Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 I bought a set of rear pads for an 'F' Model that I haven't installed yet and they are a different part number again. 06435-MGE-D02 They don't have the small flange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Marsman99 Posted May 16, 2016 Author Member Contributer Share Posted May 16, 2016 2 hours ago, Freddo said: I bought a set of rear pads for an 'F' Model that I haven't installed yet and they are a different part number again. 06435-MGE-D02 They don't have the small flange Those pads are for the 1200X model I believe. They may work just fine in the 1200F. Wonder what the actual differences are, if any. Maybe they're the same physical part, but assigned a different PN for each model to satiate their ERP system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiKenG Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 The difference WILL be due to the DCT having the additional parking brake and hence a different caliper in a different location for the normal brake. Possibly it's a caliper design they already had so could be used with no, or minor modification. The fact the pads are slightly different would be irrelevant. As you say, no need for it to be different. In fact, I would have thought they could have just added the parking brake in the other location and kept the main caliper the same and in the same location on the F and the DCT, but nowadays it seems they tend to change things for no good reason. In the early days of the Japanese motorcycle industry's expansion overseas, one of their great strengths was not trying to hold onto the past. If a new bike needed a new part and that would be better, then do it. The British bike industry failed largely because they kept trying to use the same old parts again and again and again, long after they needed replacing with better designs. In fact when Ford designed a new Escort many years ago, the designers were tasked with creating a new car, but using 60% of the parts from the previous model. Not a great way to design a new car. However, that ethos seems to have stuck with the Japanese and new bikes tend to include new variants of parts that could just as well have been fulfilled with parts they already were making for a different model. Change for change's sake and in this day and age, I don't believe it is appropriate any longer. Just how many ways can you design a handlebar switch. If it needs to switch the same circuits, use an existing switch. This benefits the manufacturer AND the user as it keeps costs down. Idiot bike journalists of course make it worse by complaining then that it's a 'parts bin special'. So what's wrong with using existing parts if they will do the job perfectly? Just changing the colour or some inconsequential shape change that has no effect on the part's performance DOES NOT MAKE IT BETTER. And we, the bike buying public pay for this continual change. Well I won't any more. I doubt I'll buy another new bike after this year. Has anyone been reading what Euro 4 will mean? No thanks. No more bikes for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1220 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 On 5/15/2016 at 7:52 AM, Marsman99 said: The MGE-D01 (top) is the DCT model pad, the MFN-D11 is the F model. The screw driver tip points to the flange on the F model pad that denies use on the DCT. You can see the DCT pads are bigger. Apologies to those that already knew this, but it was news to me and the Honda parts guy. Wonder if it is the same on aftermarket pads? Good to know, Thanks for the info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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