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Minor tire repair is limited to an area of three quarters of the

normal section width. The maximum diameter of penetration damage

and/or cracking at the base of the injury should be no greater than

3mm. The repair patches must not overlap. If a tire is deemed suitable for

repair (by a professional) then follow the instructions provided by the

manufacturer of the repair material.

For permanent repair,it is only recommended that small punctures

restricted to the tread area be repaired, using a rope type plug. The

current condition of a tire is important in determining whether a tire

is suitable for repair. Some damage limits include: if the tire has

reached its minimum tread depth as indicated by the TWI (tire wear

indicator); ply separation, separation of inner liner and or cutting

of ply cords by penetrating object; brittle or cracked rubber caused

by exhaust heat; broken or bent bead wire, damaged bead zone; damage

caused by under-inflation; softening or swelling of rubber due to oil

or chemical attack; punctures too close together; damage or previous

repair of a puncture outside of area specified for suitable repair.

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My screwed Rennsport... boo hoo

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My plugged Rennsport that covered 2K miles and not in moderation either...

it's seen over a buck 40 more than once...

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Inside the Rennsport for proof that the rope type plugs stay intact whereas

my mushroom tyre plug started to come unstuck

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I'm using the BMW tire repair kit with the rope type plugs

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Nylon Rope type plugs found at any auto parts store...

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I don't recommend the mushroom type plugs...

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What the Manufactures say about tire repairs:

Metzeler quote: "According to the specific regulations of different

country governments, a general recommendation regarding tyre repair

cannot be given. For your country, please refer to your distributor.

In case a repair is permitted, METZELER is only recommending the

repair of small punctures restricted to the tread area using a

mushroom head type plug. The repair of a punctured tubeless tyre by

means of fitting a tube is not permitted" .

Dunlop quote: "Any puncture or injury to a tire's tread area obviously

affects performance and safety. Proper repair is critical. The

puncture must be repaired on both the inside and the outside of the

tire. Because all parts of a tire are engineered to function as a

single unit, any repair must take that into consideration. Only

small, straight-through 3/16" diameter or less punctures in the tread

area may be repairable, if no secondary damage has occurred."

NOTE: A tire repair can be properly made only if the tire is removed

from the rim; a thorough internal inspection is carried out; and the

repair is made from the inside out. A repair must fill and seal the

injury, i.e. vulcanized plug and patch. Only specially trained

Technicians are qualified to repair a tire. Do not attempt to repair

it yourself.

Dunlop Safety Advisory, Speed Rated Tires: Repaired tires must not be

used in excess of posted speed limits, in race or other competition.

Speed ratings are not valid for repaired, re-treaded, under-inflated

or overloaded, excessively worn, damaged or altered tires. "

Bridgestone quote: Riding on an improperly repaired tire is dangerous.

An improper repair can cause further damage to the tire. It may

suddenly fail, causing serious personal injury or death. To be safe,

go to your local dealer for proper tire repairs.

Before having a tire repaired, tell your local dealer if you have used

an aerosol banned! to inflate/ seal the tire. Aerosol fixers could

contain a highly volatile gas. Always remove the valve core outdoors,

away from sources of excessive heat, flame, or sparks and completely

deflate the tire before removing it from the rim for repair.

* Never repair a tire with less than 1/32nd inch (0.8 millimeters)

tread remaining. At this tread depth, the tire is worn out and must be

replaced. * Never repair a tire with a puncture larger than 1/4 inch

(6.4 millimeters) in diameter. Such tires cannot be properly repaired

and must be replaced. * Repairs of all tires (radial and non-radial)

must be of the plug and inside patch type. Using plugs alone on any

type of tire is not a safe repair. * Never repair a tire with a

puncture or other damage outside the tread area. Such tires cannot be

properly repaired and must be replaced. * Any tire repair done without

removing the tire from the rim is improper. * Tubes, like tires,

should be repaired only by a qualified tire service person. * Never

use a tube as a substitute for a proper repair.

A tire's speed rating is void if the tire is repaired, retreaded,

damaged or abused, or otherwise altered from its original condition.

Thereafter, it should be treated as a non-speed-rated tire.

Michelin quote: In case of a flat, take the tire to your Michelin®

motorcycle tire dealer. Only a professional tire technician has the

expertise to properly inspect a tire for damage and determine its

repairability.

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Does anybody have any real factual evidence about modern Z rated tires failing because of a plug failure? I've heard about "blowouts" but that has always been tales about old tires with innertubes, not the high-performance tires we use today.

What would actually happen if your plug failed? Would the fact that it's a high-speed-rated tire, mean that you will be ok? Will the tire just leak air the same way it leaked when you first got the flat and leaked air? Is using a plug just as risky as the everyday risk you have of getting a flat tire in the first place when driving around normally?

How is the risk of plug failure (and the resulting leak), any different from the risk of the original puncture (and the resulting leak)?

Even if you think of it in terms of breaking cords and weakening the carcass overall, well isn't that just what happens when you get the hole the first time? If the carcass was not strong enough, then nobody would ever survive getting a puncture in the first place, and the tire would just explode right when the hole is made before you could even decide whether to plug the hole.

The choice is up to the individual but I found there is mounting

evidence that plugged tires work and are safe... I have yet to note

anyone armed with first hand knowledge to the contrary...

For some riders tire plugs are unsafe... they would spend too much attention on the plug

and not enough on where they're going and what they're are doing... it short it's a

barrier for which only a new tire can solve... so even thought they may not find the right

words to express their fear... I still respect their choice...

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Does anybody have any real factual evidence about modern Z rated tires failing because of a plug failure? I've heard about "blowouts" but that has always been tales about old tires with innertubes, not the high-performance tires we use today.

What would actually happen if your plug failed? Would the fact that it's a high-speed-rated tire, mean that you will be ok? Will the tire just leak air the same way it leaked when you first got the flat and leaked air? Is using a plug just as risky as the everyday risk you have of getting a flat tire in the first place when driving around normally?

How is the risk of plug failure (and the resulting leak), any different from the risk of the original puncture (and the resulting leak)?

Even if you think of it in terms of breaking cords and weakening the carcass overall, well isn't that just what happens when you get the hole the first time? If the carcass was not strong enough, then nobody would ever survive getting a puncture in the first place, and the tire would just explode right when the hole is made before you could even decide whether to plug the hole.

The choice is up to the individual but I found there is mounting

evidence that plugged tires work and are safe... I have yet to note

anyone armed with first hand knowledge to the contrary...

For some riders tire plugs are unsafe... they would spend too much attention on the plug

and not enough on where they're going and what they're are doing... it short it's a

barrier for which only a new tire can solve... so even thought they may not find the right

words to express their fear... I still respect their choice...

honleyism:

'Friend, when you do speak, it's to the point and I salute you.' :fing02:

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Does anybody have any real factual evidence about modern Z rated tires failing because of a plug failure? I've heard about "blowouts" but that has always been tales about old tires with innertubes, not the high-performance tires we use today.

What would actually happen if your plug failed? Would the fact that it's a high-speed-rated tire, mean that you will be ok? Will the tire just leak air the same way it leaked when you first got the flat and leaked air? Is using a plug just as risky as the everyday risk you have of getting a flat tire in the first place when driving around normally?

How is the risk of plug failure (and the resulting leak), any different from the risk of the original puncture (and the resulting leak)?

Even if you think of it in terms of breaking cords and weakening the carcass overall, well isn't that just what happens when you get the hole the first time? If the carcass was not strong enough, then nobody would ever survive getting a puncture in the first place, and the tire would just explode right when the hole is made before you could even decide whether to plug the hole.

The choice is up to the individual but I found there is mounting

evidence that plugged tires work and are safe... I have yet to note

anyone armed with first hand knowledge to the contrary...

For some riders tire plugs are unsafe... they would spend too much attention on the plug

and not enough on where they're going and what they're are doing... it short it's a

barrier for which only a new tire can solve... so even thought they may not find the right

words to express their fear... I still respect their choice...

honleyism:

'Friend, when you do speak, it's to the point and I salute you.' :fing02:

Same here.....when Larry (BusyLittleShop) has an opinion, it's no problem understanding it. Easy to converse with someone who has that quality..."spit your opinion out there in the discussion arena, don't be bashful"......... :beer:

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Thanks for all the input! :fing02:

I plug already looks like the one that BusyLittleShop had. It was probably a half-inch off of the center, I was concerned at first because the repair made a little bulge on the side of a tread. But once it got hot, it was back to normal. Like I said, I have gone 20 and 30K on car tires with these plugs, so I am sure they last. After riding home from work last night, I could barely see it anymore. It's all good!

Thanks again!

JB

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OK, I always carry a rope type repair kit on the road for both of my bikes. Hopefully that will get me home or to a new tire place if the rope does not work.

Now, If you have a tire with a a small puncture (in the BLS tread area) off the rim would you recommend a radial tire patch (not a plug) from the inside . Anybody try this or would you recommend just do a rope there too?

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I spoke too soon! I'm getting my new shoes put on today, in time for my weekend ride. Found someone that would change them for free (he charges 10 bucks, but I've had him out to my place to woods ride and he said he wouldn't accept any money for the tire changing.

When I get the tires back tonight, I'll photo the inside and outside of the rear tire that has had a plug in it for over 5k miles. I told him at lunch I wanted the old tires cause I wanted to see how my plug looked, he had no idea I'd plugged that tire and he had changed my rear tire already. Obviously he wasn't looking for a plug, but from the outside of the tire, you couldn't find it anyways. I think I know where it is at, due to about a half circle looking scratch. But picking it the other half of the circle gets me nothing, so it could just be a mark in the tire like there is in so many other places

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Thanks for all the input! :fing02:

You're welcome... I'd like to thank HS for a wonderful V4 site...

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